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how does arguing over evolution help answer the question of "who is your creator?"

Good point

The answer to your question explains why whoisyourcreator doesn't feel the need to promote creationism.

By exposing the lies and misconceptions of the theory of evolution (unlimited change beyond speciation), there is nothing else to turn to but God.

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how does arguing over evolution help answer the question of "who is your creator?"

Re: Good point

What kinds of change do you imagine exist "beyond speciation"? There is only one kind of change: mutation. A little is variation within a species. A bit more or just the right kind leads to speciation. Some species are more diverged than others, but you need not propose some mechanism beyond speciation. If you accept speciation, than you accept the theory of evolution.

Give an example

Since you believe that speciation continues to produce unlimited change within populations, give us ONE example of an isolated population that currently displays anything beyond just being another 'specie' of that 'parent' kind. (Examples would be a new specie that is 'evolving' a more complex feature.)

If you can't, why does evolution cease to occur?

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What kinds of change do you imagine exist "beyond speciation"? There is only one kind of change: mutation. A little is variation within a species. A bit more or just the right kind leads to speciation. Some species are more diverged than others, but you need not propose some mechanism beyond speciation. If you accept speciation, than you accept the theory of evolution.

Re: Give an example

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1558-5646.2007.00150.x

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17412289&ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

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Pick one to start with

Because you are new to the board (welcome), you aren't expected to know that we don't respond to links.

If you would like to pick one specific example, state it and we'll begin a new thread.

Thank you!

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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1558-5646.2007.00150.x

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17412289&ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17625923&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16533822&ordinalpos=29&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17644960&ordinalpos=41&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

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Re: Good point

Why not alien engineering? ID? There are literally an inifinit number of gods that one can think up, and an equal ammojnt of scenerios by which they couldve made everything. Disproving evolution (which you havent done, as far as I can see. Ive been gone for a while and need to catch up on the progress, but so far I see quote mining, pathetic atempts at logic, and little or no science) does not prove creatiponism. If I prove faries don´t power my computer, does that prove electricity does? No. I have to rule out goblins, wizards, pixies, water, mud, and another infinite nbumber of possibilities. The only way to prove electricity powers it is not to disprove everything else but to prove electricity.

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The answer to your question explains why whoisyourcreator doesn't feel the need to promote creationism.

By exposing the lies and misconceptions of the theory of evolution (unlimited change beyond speciation), there is nothing else to turn to but God.

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how does arguing over evolution help answer the question of "who is your creator?"