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Arneson

Aug 27, 2007 - 3:38PM

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Imprecise language...

My point was and is that no one HERE said any of those things. You found someone that did say that. However, don't blame me for their poor writing about avian evolution.

I have several problems with the quote. First, the language makes it seem that Pterosaurs were what was "turning into birds". This is flat wrong. A cursory comparason of anatomy would tell you that. Even if the author was talking about dinosaurs "turning into birds", that language is far too imprecise. It implies that all dinosaurs became birds. A truly ridiculous proposition. That is not how birds evolved. If you have been laboring under the impression that is how scientists viewed bird evolution I am sorry you found that article. It is wrong.

I would recommend this book - "Taking Wing: rchaeopteryx and the Evolution of Bird Flight" by Pat Shipman. It gives a good summary of the evidence, thinking and battles in the science of bird evolution.
http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Wing-Archaeopteryx-Evolution-Flight/dp/0684849658

The Lore of Evolutionism - by John - Aug 27, 2007 4:15pm

Re: The Lore of Evolutionism - by Brian - Aug 28, 2007 3:03am

Re: Re: The Lore of Evolutionism - by John - Aug 28, 2007 3:17am

There is one point that we can agree on... - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 10:33am

Your point is not proven. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 3:48am

Birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 4:15am

No contradiction if you follow the logic and the evidence. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 10:31am

Pakicetus was terrestrial as expected in the first in the transition from land to sea. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 10:52am

Which of Thewissen and Hussain's summary would you go by? 1993 or 2001? - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 9:10pm

The most current that shows terrestrial whale and completes the sequence. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 9:59am

Thewissen and Hussain explained their 'change of mind'. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 10:10am

WiYC carefully trims quotes to avoid the obvious whale evolution conclusion from the evidence. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 11:25am

And your proof is where? - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 9:13pm

I think you would find it in the article from which you selectively quoted. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 10:04am

Ears and foramen. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 11:37am

Give your evidence of fat pad containment and explanation of development - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 12:01pm

Miraculous is your gig not mine. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 12:29pm

Why is it that evolutionists cannot explain how evolution occurs? - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 8:49pm

Why is it WiYC always changes the subject? - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 5:28am

So you admit you are unable to articulate how evolution occurs? - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 28, 2007 8:31am

The scenario was already provided. You chose to ignore it. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 9:16am

Evolution explains the changes in whale hearing. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 6:13am

It's your claim that evolution has been proven, so the burden of proof is yours. - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 8:59pm

Evolution provides the explanation. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 5:40am

WiYC's burden. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 5:46am

Different plan of attack? - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 28, 2007 8:23am

Re: Different plan of attack? - by akg41470 - Aug 28, 2007 8:54am

Nope. I explained this to you many times. The burden is on creationists. Evolution is established - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 9:24am

Awesome admission! - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 29, 2007 1:02pm

I think you are mistaken as usual. - by Arneson - Aug 29, 2007 2:55pm

I think you mean sad for creationism. - by Arneson - Aug 29, 2007 3:33pm

Evolution is true because it has met the test. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 5:57am

WiYC misses forest for the trees. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 11:47am

What an Incredible Admission - by John - Aug 27, 2007 5:32am

Re: What an Incredible Admission - by akg41470 - Aug 27, 2007 11:43am

Critical analysis of evolution only - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 9:29pm

Re: Critical analysis of evolution only - by akg41470 - Aug 28, 2007 7:56am

All the while shielding creationism from scientific scrutiny. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 10:59am

Don't worry. A better understanding of evolution easily corrects it. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 11:52am

Without proof again - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 12:25pm

Without proof is your gig not mine. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 12:51pm

Horse evolution was not 'refuted'. Eldredge was talking about the need to update an old exhibit. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 8:51am

A better understanding of the evolution of horses. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 9:03am

Re: Enough montificating - Where is your evidence? - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 9:11am

Re: Enough montificating - Where is your evidence? - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 9:14am

The theory is yours so the burden of proof is yours - 'Nylon-eating' bacteria - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 12:23pm

You really should stop quoting AIG in general and Don Batten in particular. - by Arneson - Aug 27, 2007 12:43pm

Batten's claims were answered specifically and thoroughly. - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 4:20am

You know better - by whoisyourcreator - Aug 27, 2007 9:33pm

You have been given plenty of examples - by Arneson - Aug 28, 2007 4:30am