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Howdy folks, My first post here, so maybe a little intro is needed.
I have been lurking here for the past few months, just kinda taking it all in. At a trip out to my old friend's Hill Country ranch in July, he showed me some of the artifacts he had found on the surface there, and showed me a couple test holes he had dug down to midden rock, and some other points he had dug up there more recently. I was fascinated, obviously, and my quest for knowledge began, and I've been learning and reading a lot to find out more, which is how I found this page.
A co-worker mentioned that her dad used to dig a lot for points when he was retired in the late 70s-early 80s, and when he passed, he willed them to her. She said she had "boxes and boxes of that stuff", And I told her that I would love to see it, and the best (at least to my newbie eyes) is what you see here. Some were wrapped up very carefully in paper towels, while others were just loose in boxes with large pre-forms etc. She was real surprised when I told her most of it was thousands, not hundreds of years old. In addition to these, there were hundreds of broken points, bifaces, flakes, and other cool stuff.
According to her most of these came from Real county, near Leaky, on the Frio River, or Bandera county, on the Medina River. Some are from closer to Austin, and she thought a couple might be from far east TX.
I'd like to know what, exactly, I was looking at, and I'd be curious if my favs were also the favs of you more experienced folks, and whether there is anything particularly rare here...
So here is the Point Porn:
This is the best from the first box:
The drill loked real nice, and in the second row, far right, this was real patinated, but still had it's very fine point. The one next to it, was extremely translucent, as was the Montell(?) in the second row, far left. At bottom right are broken points from much larger pieces, and the little round one there had a hole punched in it for some reason.
Best from the second box:
In the first row, far left, was extremely thin, and not straight, and looked like it had some real quality work put into it. The third fom left in the first row was also real thin, and well done. The Conejo(?) just below the quarter was a fav of both of us.
From the third:
I like tha Bulverde(?) with all the patina at top.
From the fourth:
In the lower left corner, the Frio(?) was extremely thin and translucent, And I don't know if you can see it in the pic, but with the exception of the work around the deges, the face looked like it was done with one strike, as it was completely smooth. This was one of my favs. The drill with patina on the point was cool too.
From number five:
Some nice large bifaces, and the little one in the middle, at bottom appeared not to have been broken, but made into that odd shape for a reason.
From the sixth:
I liked the 'wormy' black chert at top left, and the point at bottm, center was real thin and well made.
I really liked the one just above the quarter, I have not seen another like that big.
Box number 8:
I liked the big chopper at bottom right, it had a nice comfortable place to put your thumb.
And from box nine:
The four at bottom were very carefully packed, and you could tell the were among her dad's favorites. What are they?
This thing used to be a monster!!:
I hope I'm not boring you folks with all this, I'm just another newbie with lots of enthusiasm, and not a lot of experience. These are NOT for sale, as she plans to keep them in the family. I would really like to give her some details, so ANY insight with these would be appreciated. It was a learning experience for sure looking at all these great points.
I am actually going to my friend's ranch this weekend, and I plan to do some digging, as he said he has found some great stuff since he has made the holes bigger and deeper since I was there last. Popping my cherry, so to speak......
nice collection, is it yours now, or still your friends?
Thanks for sharing; nice stuff. I'm still a newb as well with a ton of enthusiasm and not alot of experience as you put it but I'll make a stab:
I'm not great on individual typology but most of those appear to be consistent with early to mid archaic period.
One really interests me as possibly older.... box 2, 2nd row, second from the left. I'd like to know what that one is myself. Any way we can get a close-up?
Unfortunately RGS, they are still hers.
I told her I would come back, and help her date, name, and catalouge some of the best ones when I knew more myself. At that point I will probably take pics of individual pieces. We packed them back away more carefully than they were packed, so this is all I have to work with at the moment.
It has also been pointed out to me that in the 7th pic, bottom row, 2nd from left might be Paleo. What do you think?
Does any one piece strike anybody else's eye? I'm real curious. Keep the info comin' folks, I'd love to know more...