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Tokens and Guns

Pat took pics. of my token notched perdiz and gun flint to post on her site, so I'm going to put them up here too. I found the perdiz over 30 years ago in LaSalle co. and have had it authenticated three times. The gun flint, found in Frio co. I wasn't too sure about. It was authenticated twice as a musket flint, but I was also told it was a hafted scraper. At the Boerne show today I was given 6 thumbs up on a musket flint. Rare for the brush country. Most surface hunters (except Melvin) wouldn't have even picked it up as it resembles too much a broken point. Me, I don't like lithic refuse messing up my surface hunting sites and I pick up every scrap of worked flint.
I posted the perdiz before, but framed with other birds, now, I have it seperate.


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Ineteresting finds Te!

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I'm not a gun flint Aficionado, so does this look like anyone else's old gun flint? Bill told me at the Boerne show that the ones from overseas were usually black. This one is native material. I did find it at a campsite where I found a few broken bird points, which would have put in in the same approx. time frame.

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And how can you tell if it's been used? Did they carry several of them with their rifles? I've never heard of the first settlers making them, so did they buy them at the local gun shop.

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Ya i just pick up the G-10's , But if you look at the bottom right corner of your gun/craper flint you can tell it was used twice times as the perdiz was used once. They have the notches for proof..

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Yep, Melvin, just like the old gunslingers. Put notches in the butt of the gun. Guess that's why there's so many reworked points. Too many notches and they'd break. Retool and reload, that's my motto.

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Well I know of some spanish missionarys around that area in the 1600's .....Its possible to have a gun flint....Campwood (real cty)had one in the 1600's and a couple more close by....

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The early residents must have thought the white man was nuts, what with no proper bases to haft flint
on their weapons ! I'm speculating it was for a smaller pistol. The early long guns like a Brown Bess needed a rock about like a small Perd !
There are exception natch, like some of the Tenn squirrel guns the boys used at the Alamo.
If no obvious mark where flint met steel, must have been trade or spare.

Just to be polite, I'll say "thats a nice notch on the Perdiz " !

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Have to modify my position ! Dial in DIXIEGUN.COM for a fast look at modern flint lock repos.
They list a LOT of locks that use a standard size 5 / 8 inch flint.
Hope this "research" doesn't get me started on repo's again. . . they are BEAUTIFUL...check out the workmanship details of that Brown Bess for example !

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I found a second one at the same site, but just assumed it was a scraper. It was 1.5" square. Not really being into black powder rifles, I thought it to be a little too big for a gun flint. But on that site you mentioned, there is an inch and a half flint. That one I've never had looked at, as it's in with the buckets full of scrapers. Have to get it out and look at it a little better.
Thanks
Tehuacana

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Here's my first gun flint and the larger one found at the same locale. It's approx. 11/8" X 1 1/16". Don't know if it's a hafted scraper or gun flint. Never had it looked at, found broken birds but no other scrapers in the area. So, what do the gun flint experts think? Gun flint? or just another scraper.


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And SH, the fifty cent piece is probably one of the last from the casino. They're going to do away with all the slots that pay out in coin. Everything is going to ticket. IGT & Bally aren't making the coin machines anymore and the casino's are antiquated and can't get parts when they break down. Or so we were told by employees. Takes less people to maintain ticket machiness-cut backs at the casino, what next, serve yourself bar. Wooooo, I'd go for that. Nothing worse then feeding a slot machine for 30 minutes just waiting to get a free beer.
Kinda like the ticket machines. Nothing worse then standing in line for 15 minutes just to cash in $11 in nickels.