Hey guys, just wondering if some of you point buffs know anything about the pipe creek biface. I read that their function is unknown but are there any theories? And also I was told they were a scarce find, not quite rare but not common, but I've found about 20 in a mound in Kendall county since last Christmas.

dont know what a pipe creek biface is ,post a picture I may have afew also.

http://www.dirtbrothers.org/help/calame002.html

looks like something i've seen on this site...

so i had to go look through my collection... that one ended notch looked familiar.

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..think this is similar... just on a smaller scale?

Is that the same thing as the Pipe Creek point? I think it is. I found 1 in Frio county and three in Commanche county many years ago. Before it was identified as a point type. I gave the Frio county find to Greg Perino back in the late 80's.

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Thanks soo much for the help maybe now I'll be able to finally post some pics, but more than likely it will be Monday or later before I can do so

Tucker, I been digging for a couple years now and found only one PipeCreek biface,in Real Co. Turner and Hester suggests it's a tool. I think so.

Someone posted on one of the forums that it was a tool used to groove the arrow shaft to insert the feather. If you found 20 in one midden/camp, that is exceptional. Surely the Pros will agree. Maybe that site was the arrow factory

20 in one site should dispell the notion they're unfinished Edwards!

Great post!
Sam

That's great info the site is definately an arrow factory, we've found dozens of arrow point performs and about 400 arrow points if I had to guess, of those only about 150 are intact. We find mostly Edwards scallorn perdiz but cuney points occasionally pop up. Recently I foun 2 sabinals and my dad an awesome Edwards serrated and about 2.5 in long but 3/8 in wide. Good news is there is still aproximately 50% of the camp that hasn't been scraped over for birds, anyone know if this is a normal amount of points for a bird camp?

Dam, I gotta go check the bottom of the broke bucket [ s ]
Thats all very interesting info, I doubt I have found one. The descriptions in the Hester book indicate
they were indeed associated primarily with the Edwards points.
That rich a camp points to relatively high occupation levels [ surely there was not 2 guys crafting points for 500+ years ] Living conditions that made it attractive to the bird point age may have existed much earlier in time.
Frequent deep test holes would really be in order.

I wouldnt know about " normal " amount of points per a given camp but I DO know there are some people that
ask " is it normal to find so FEW points in a camp ?? "
Leonard in N TX has a MANO factory on his site !

Wish Icould see a picture of the biface. Ibelieve I am On a birdcamp due to the fact that thats all I find . Edwards ,Scallorn , Sabinal, I,m sure I must have at least one.

Sh, we've done test holes and the site is really old, we found angosturas in one hole and I found a plainview on the bluff next to it. Not to mention that my dad found an andice as a kid there, one ear was broken along with the tip but there is no denying what it is. Were really blessed to have such a great place, and havnt had trouble with point poachers but once. It's your textbook camp,right next to creek, below bluff that provides northwind shelter and high ground, and is above the floodplain. There is also a ceremonial site that was dozed two miles up creek and another great camp full of big blades I'm told two miles down river.

these are examples of pipe creek bifaces, they are about an inch long

Yep, those are classic Pipe Creeks. That many found is definite proof that they are a true point type and not a reworked Ensor. That's what mine look like.

i,LL HAVE TO SEE IF i HAVE ANY THANKS FOR THE PICS!

Brought forward 5-30-12 for reference to a find by Sandman on the Edwards / Real county line

Hi Tucker,
I have heard from other diggers that Pipe Creeks were used somehow in the fletching process.
Thanks, Jon.